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Done With These Losers [Jan. 23rd, 2013|03:37 pm]
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Today the GOP House voted to raise the debt limit, and the bill is expected to pass in the Senate rather than just being a bit of posturing.

The Reps took a bold stand in return for raising it, right? Well, no. The extension is for no particular amount, meaning it's a blank check until May, which means the Treasury will stock up to be prepared for another "fight" and Congress won't need to act again until at least July.

But they demanded spending cuts, right? No. No cuts.

But they're demanding that a budget be passed? Not really. They're demanding that the House and Senate each pass a budget. Not necessarily the same one, or one that the Leader will sign. The Senate has already said it plans to pass some kind of budget for once this year, so the House is basically placing a demand on itself to do something that will accomplish nothing.

Well, at least they'll have teeth to back up that demand... Ha ha, no. The penalty for failure at this modest goal is that Congress' pay will be delayed, at most, until the end of their session.

I find myself agreeing with several quoted Democrats who said that the House's action is a pointless act of theater intended to fool Tea Party people yet again into supporting more debt and no spending cuts. But the House overwhelmingly voted to keep Boehner, so even the "conservative" House members are complicit.

I'm done with these losers in the Republican Party. I will not vote for them again even if I'm promised Zombie Reagan as the candidate. That goes even for alleged conservatives like Ryan. If they're not willing to tear off that "R" in disgust, that tells me they think the status quo is just fine. (Ought to change my voter registration while I'm at it.)

I'm planning to join the Texas Nationalist Movement, a secessionist group. As far as I can tell from their own site and looking for critics, there's no credible argument that they're a racist or violent or fundamentalist-only group. Anyone see some horrible feature of them that I'm overlooking? Worst thing I see about them so far is that they don't currently have many paying members, and as long as I'm handing people money on Kickstarter for far less important causes like furry video games, why not?

[User Picture]From: heavens_steed
2013-01-23 10:06 pm (UTC)


I understand your frustration but any talk of secession is for lunatics. Any advocacy for secession is one of the most unpatriotic gestures imaginable. You might recall what happened the last time a large part of the union tried to secede. 700,000 Americans died.

Republicans lack any power and Obama has no intention of compromising. The American public, although angry with all of congress, primarily blame the Republicans for the mess in Washington. They also re-elected Obama. The kind of courage you would like the Republicans to exercise would be political suicide for them and likely fruitless given their lack of power and public support. The American people clearly don't care enough about the deficit or growth in government to support the kind of hard-line fiscally conservative measures that need to be taken. That's a problem and a far bigger problem than Republican cowardice or self-preservation.

I'm not sure if there is any hope for our nation, but I am sure that secession is no way to redeem it.
[User Picture]From: kris_schnee
2013-01-23 11:52 pm (UTC)


What does it mean to be patriotic, now? If it means wanting to defend liberty and the principles of our founders and their Constitution, establishing a free country on those principles is entirely patriotic. It's an act of salvage. If patriotism means defending this government just because it has the same official name and flag, I want no part of it and you shouldn't either. If your branch of Christianity redefined itself into some kind of horrible cult, would you still feel obligated to remain a member and to stand up for it, after years of trying to work reform from within?

The Republicans have power. It's within their power to shut down the government and force spending cuts, or to force de-funding of Obamacare, or even to just de-fund some specific thing like Planned Parenthood or the contraception/abortion mandate. Yeah, the political and economic consequences are potentially dire. But if they're not willing to draw a line in the sand and fight for what they supposedly believe in, why should we believe they'll fight if they get more power? It'll be more "dire" next year. It seems like what you're suggesting is, "Be patient with them accomplishing nothing for two years, then elect more Reps, then be patient with them accomplishing nothing for two more because they don't have the White House, then tell yourself they'll nominate a conservative unlike the last six times..." How many times are we going to fall for this charade? Even the House "conservatives" voted for Boehner again. Reid correctly reacted to today's vote by saying that Boehner's smart enough to know he just has to throw the Tea Party people a bone and they'll sign on to more debt. Do you even have any confidence that the House will shoot down the new gun control proposal? I don't, anymore.

Indeed, the fact that a voting majority now wants a kind master is a bigger problem than party politics. That's a reason to support building a country where people who value freedom can live peacefully separated from those others. We are outvoted. We are going to be more outvoted in two years and four and six. The best you can hope for in terms of electoral victory is an economic crisis so horrible that people are shaken out of their current beliefs, and for the bootlicker media to blame government instead of "capitalist greed". Supporting Republicans is a recipe for failure.
From: actonrf
2013-01-24 03:31 am (UTC)


What power? a vast majority think republicans are at fault the only anyway. The I see is there nobody in the GOP has give a compelling reason to vote for them I see is the party that hate immigrants and what to take back the country for Christian America. As an individualist /capitalist the republican are wrong on immigration and as an doctrinally Reformed Christian they are wrong on so call Christian America.

The problem is with secessionist movement the will trend to a populist dictatorship. You already demonstrate you have a little stomach for individual liberty.

No as for leaving and not supporting the GOP I would be a hypocritical if I say not leave the GOP; I am nether a conservative nor a Republican after the last election.
[User Picture]From: kris_schnee
2013-01-24 05:16 am (UTC)


I have a hard time understanding you, as usual, or why you think I'm somehow opposed to individual liberty.

So... do you see the Republicans as actually hating immigrants (because they're opposed to illegal immigration), or do you think they're falsely painted that way?

We currently have a populist dictatorship, in the sense of unlimited federal power supported by a voting majority. I'm sure it could get a lot worse, but I'd rather make an effort to build something with the potential to be better, instead of sitting here watching us passively repeat other countries' slide into mass murder and slavery.
From: actonrf
2013-01-24 07:05 am (UTC)


I'll get back to you its going to be long
[User Picture]From: kris_schnee
2013-01-24 01:44 am (UTC)


By the way...

Boehner is already turning around and pretending he's going to fight later! Didn't even take him twelve hours to expect us to forget what he did! We've been "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
From: actonrf
2013-01-24 03:31 am (UTC)


The only way I see abs solution to our current problem is the productive go on strike.

Edited at 2013-01-24 03:32 am (UTC)
[User Picture]From: world_wanderer
2013-01-25 03:06 am (UTC)


And the time before that we got one of the greatest nations on earth, at least for a while.

Do some searching. There have been several secessions in the last few decades. Texas in some ways would be a shoo in.

One of the issues with the US is that it's too big. One rep for 70,000 people? No wonder they're out of control. Part of the point of seccesion is that you can get the people who do care together, and let the rest destroy themselves. It's going to happen anyway, places like Texas might as well make things happen on their terms, instead of waiting to drive off the cliff.
[User Picture]From: world_wanderer
2013-01-25 03:26 am (UTC)


I've recently decided that the national level is no longer relevant. The only concern there is their likely hood to kick in your door, or finish destroying the dollar. Both of these are nullified by resilience at the local level. If local law enforcement will not cooperate with the feds, the first is much less likely, especially with the rest of the state doing it, and the second requires alternate economics and personal resilience, which is created at the local level. I need to get started on getting involved myself, but this is where the action is.

A lot of these sorts of things depend on the kind of people running them. Judge them by what they've gotten so far. Are they in the state legislature? City councils? Support for this sort of thing is growing, but not all groups are equal.